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Response 7 - Ordinal Thoughts - version 2

Marie writes: This is version 2 of the response to Task 7. See here for reflections on the response.

18/10/18 – 11:30

Is there an opposition between the creative expression of the individual artist and the use of parametric approaches to generate an outcome?

It seems to have come as a surprise to both of us that despite having spent hours discussing in advance how the project would run and what expectations of how we define ‘parameters’ and ‘practice’, we still have very different understanding of how to apply them. It already became clear in task 2 when you felt exercised that I asked you to ponder in your daily life the relationship between process and product.

  • ‘Process and product’ is there a value judgement between the two? How do we define one and the other? How are they connected/what is their relationship? When does process end and outcome begin?
  • What is the function of the parameters? Are they there to stimulate a new way of seeing a process or are they a means to themselves? How closely do we observe the parameters when we do a task? Is the purpose of the project to stick to the parameters or to allow each of us to develop a creative practice?
  • Are we still working with physical activities and movement if a task does not include an activity that asks the responder to step away from the computer? Did we disagree on the rule that the task must include ‘a physical, practical or creative activity’ or do we simply interpret this rule differently?

The above points are something we discuss a lot over the dinner table which I felt was going against the rule that we do not discuss the project privately. You questioned the point of the rule? Why can't we talk about it? We are both very involved in the making of tasks and responding so why should we censor ourselves if a need to talk about it comes up? We don’t discuss the making/execution of the tasks but only responses after they have been posted. My view is that we:

  1. need to maintain some distance between the work collaboration and our private lives
  2. should honour the rule of ‘equality’ that we have set out that ensures that we distribute time equally between your and my work and talking about it privately could tip this balance
  3. should make sure that everything we do concerning the project is ‘official’ and transparent for potential viewers of the project so we do not hide the ‘stitches’ and our disagreements on rules and negotiations.

We seem to have encountered a difference in aesthetic appreciations: You like formally satisfying work like Cubism and films by Wes Anderson. I am touched by work of Eva Hesse and Wim Wenders. I work with improvisation and somatic movement which values sensation and inner explorations. You want clear boundaries to motivate your creative output. That does not mean I don’t have parameters or set myself obstructions, they are just more intuitive than intellectual. These are premises that are at the core of our differences.

See here for version 1

See here for version 3